Family History Notebook

John Butler

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Q402. BJ3#4

John Butler (d, 1865) of Glengall Place, Old Kent Road.

Clue: A "Gentleman", he d, aged 69 and his Will was proved in London by his widow, Jane Sarah, and sons, John and Walter (per Mrs John Butler of Rotherfield, Sussex).

Reply: He must have been the undertaker of 20 Crucifix Lane, b, 1791, s/o John Butler, undertaker, of Crucifix Lane, who was in 1752 a carpenter's apprentice as s/o John Butler, a Merchant Taylor. Thelma Gillott has kindly confirmed the census shows he was born, St John, Southwark, and aged 70 in 1861. His 1864 Will is remarkably informative and discloses the family vault was in Norwood Cemetery and, by a previous marriage, he had 3 children - Susannah Toplis, (Emily) Sarah Shoobridge and his late son, Charles - who had received large sums of money from their maternal relatives; and he had 2 other surviving daus - Jane Sutton and Julia (to whom he left an additional £1000 which may be required "for her affliction"). It adds that since 1838 he had been speculating in real property south of the river, which suggests he might be the John Butler, wharfinger, of the 1835 Poll Book, possibly linked with John Butler of Butler's Wharf in 1802 (Q356).

  1. BJ4#3 John Butler (d. 1865) of Glengall, Old Kent Road

In The Times 27 June 1872, Lord Dunboyne spotted that Chancery papers 1870 B No.34 concern Charles Butler and others v. Edward Toplis and Joseph Sayer. David Hawgood of Acton, an expert on computer genealogy, is descended from Edward Toplis (d.1856) by Charlotte née Butler (d.1862) whose son James m. Susannah d/o the above James Butler (d.1865) of Glengall.